Russian military reporter Dimitriev has recently posted a grim commentary about the current state of #Russia's war in #Ukraine, to which another channel, “Teni Rusi” [Shadows of Rus'] has replied^1 with the following extract of quotes. I'm sure the readers will appreciate stunning similarity of these 40 years old discussions of Soviet leadership, then top secret, with today's situation.
As a reminder, on 25 December 1979 Soviet Union started military intervention in Afghanistan which also followed a decade of covert operations and meddling or, as we would say today, “hybrid operations”. I will post original Dimitriev comment at the end, for comparison.
Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 13 November 1986
GORBACHEV: My intuition tells me that something is troubling. ... ‘A strange war!’ — soon they will pin this term on us. ... People are asking: are we going to sit there forever?! Or should we end this war? Otherwise, we will disgrace ourselves in every respect. The strategic goal is to end the war and withdraw our troops in one, maximum two years.
Remember, in 1986 this “quick intervention” was already going on for almost 7 years, and USSR ultimately manages to withdraw only in another 4 years, and then it will start falling apart.
Gromyko (Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR)
[acknowledges that there was a miscalculation of the circumstances when ‘agreement was given for military support’ to Karmal. Proposes to persuade the United States to join forces and go to London]. The situation is worse than it was six months ago. We cannot delay any longer. Time is not on our side. Our goal is for Afghanistan to be a neutral state, not a hostile country. (...) The main thing is to end the war and withdraw the troops.
Please especially note the above statement by Gromyko – replace “Afghanistan” with “Ukraine”, and it would be representing Russia's situation today almost 100% accurately.
CHEBRIKOV (Chairman of the KGB of the USSR). There will be no military solution; we must intensify the search for political solutions. (...) Instead of thinking about the main thing — how to end the war — we are preoccupied with trivial issues.
GORBACHEV (Addressing, as if to the Chief of the General Staff of the USSR, Akhromeev) We got ourselves into this mess, we miscalculated, we exposed ourselves on all fronts. And we failed to use military force effectively. And now we have to get ourselves out of this... We have to get out!
AKHROMEYEV: We have lost the battle. The majority of the Afghan people are now supporting the counter-revolutionaries.
It's fascinating – already in 1986 the Soviet leadership had a very clear understanding that 1) the intervention was a mistake, 2) it was a complete failure, 3) military intervention made things worse, not better, for Soviet interests in Afghanistan. But it took another four long years to actually make the decision to withdraw, for various reasons. I bet Soviet military commanders made the same promises as they do today – “the victory is just weeks away” and Party hardliners were furious about “the country losing face”. But read on, there were also other players here...
Politburo, 23 February 1987
This piece is interesting, as it indicated complex game of interests of external players in Afghanistan:
GORBACHEV. The situation is not easy. We got in, but how to get out is a headache. We could get out quickly, without thinking about anything, and blame the previous leadership for starting it all. But we can't do that. India is worried, Africa is worried. They believe that this will be a blow to the USSR's authority in the national liberation movement. (...)
Similarly, today you have at least China and North Korea with vested interest in the “Russia's authority” as the defender of the “multipolar world”. And here Gorbachev touches the “sunken cost dilemma” in the internal policy:
But the internal aspect is also important. A million of our soldiers have been through Afghanistan. And it turns out it was all for nothing. The job wasn't finished. We can't report back to our people. They'll say: you forgot about the victims, you forgot about the country's authority. It will cause bitterness — what did we sacrifice people for?!
There's a very simple rational answer here: how about asking this painful question of “victims” and “sacrifice” before you decided to start the intervention? But here comes the absolutely typical Russian cultural feature – phrase “maybe we made a mistake, but now we need to go till the end”. And then back to whining about “victims” and “sacrifice”, and the whole cycle repeats.
Politburo, 3 March 1988
GORBACHEV. (...) But in principle, the question is clear: we are withdrawing! There will be questions, and there will be questions in our country too. What did we fight for? Why did we make so many sacrifices? There will be questions in the ‘third world.’ They are already coming. They will say that the Soviet Union cannot be relied upon: it is abandoning its friends to the mercy of the United States. And here we must not waver. So we must act in such a way as to preserve the authority of the state both before our own people and before the outside world. We must support our friends. But we must withdraw — and that's it!
Speech at a meeting with regional committee secretaries on 18 April 1988
GORBACHEV. We've been there for eight years. And they've shown that there's no military solution. No moral justification can excuse us. Every life is a life. (...) The US would really like us to get bogged down there — in particular, so they can show the world: see, they say, that's what Soviet ‘new thinking’ is worth!
Note the repeated obsession with the “authority of the state”. Apparently, in Russian culture of governance the “authority” is preserved by sticking to the dumbest possible decisions rather than fixing them. That very well fits the Russian Orthodox perception of authority as a “sacred” phenomenon – and an authority that is “sacred” cannot make mistakes by definition, so persistence in error reinforces the idea of authority being “sacred”, at least in this perverted logic.
And we see the same pattern also today – admission that the “SVO [Special Military Operation]” was a mistake would imply that Putin made a mistake – on 24 February 2022 it was Putin who announced the start of the invasion by saying: “I made the decision”. But how could Putin make a mistake if he's now being portrayed on Orthodox icons and generally celebrated as a saint alive everywhere in Russia? This is the kind of dramatic dilemmas Russian leadership is facing today – once again, only because of the mythology they themselves created.
Back to today, what Dimitriev wrote
One important note: the consensus in the Russian military blogger ecosystem is that you can criticise mistakes of specifica individuals (commanders, politicians up to medium level etc), but you cannot dispute the purposefulness of the “SVO” itself. This consensus was established on Putin's meeting with military journalists in 2023 and is enforced by Investigative Committee. Several Russian bloggers whose criticism went too far were detained (e.g. “Moscow Calling”).
Now what Dimitriev wrote just on 3 May 2025:
I'm watching another wave of revelations from military correspondents: “the war cannot be dragged out, it is exhausting us. We need either a truce or a go-ahead with, mobilisation and nuclear weapons”. I am not sure about the sincerity of these statements; it is more likely that military correspondents are now allowed to say what they could not say yesterday.
Dimitriev alludes to the fact that Russian media rarely writes spontaneous opinions (see above) and much more frequently follow instructions (“metodichki”) distributed by the President's Administration. Why this change of heart, Dimitriev wonders?
But actually, nothing terrible or sobering has happened in recent days. Everything sobering and frightening happened in the first few days. Everyone who was in the Special Military Operation zone in those days, even before Mariupol, and who is capable of even minimally soberly analysing what is happening, understood that everything was screwed up — the Special Military Operation needed to be wound down with minimal losses and pretend that ‘nothing had started.’
Dimitriev means that the worst failure of Russian army was the 2022 – collapse of their siege of Kyiv and disgraceful withdrawal from northern Ukraine. Since then, in general, performance of Russian army has actually improved even if it happened at a huge cost of endless “human wave” attacks.
And here's a juicy paragraph:
And that the attempts of the leadership to maintain their authority and finish off Ukraine would only lead to greater loss of face, both politically and morally.
See? That's 100% the same obsessions with “maintaining authority” as in 1986. The following could be just as well written 40 years ago in respect to Afghanistan:
With each passing day, the price of this exit — reputational, economic, psychological — became higher and higher. But in the country, they deliberately created an atmosphere of ‘don't let up the fight, we're about to crush the Ukrainians’ — let's destroy a couple more villages, send a hundred “Shaheeds” [assault drones] somewhere to buzz over their heads, and they'll surrender. It is interesting that it was the military correspondents who created this atmosphere, although those who passed on the narratives they described also became victims. They themselves believed that they would pull through on morale and willpower alone and that everything would be as before — global authority and respect. As they say, ‘the kid said it, the kid did it.’
As a result, they dug themselves in so deep that it will be impossible to get out with minimal losses. No matter how many uplifting videos you show on the internet or how much you wave nuclear missiles around, everyone already understands everything.
And here's Dimitriev absolutely perfect reflection on the general state of Russian statehood after three years of war:
People often ask me, ‘What should we do now?’ Three years ago, I would have said: get out and reform literally everything. But wars are not started to reform something, but on the contrary, to change nothing. And now what? Well, first of all, we need to stop lying, including to ourselves. Stop pretending to be someone we are not in reality. For example, a Great Power that brings light and prosperity and has never lost a war. We need to look in the mirror and see ourselves in a new role.
I had a few more points about internal reforms, but even with the first one, I realise that it is impossible to implement them. So all that remains is to observe and try to minimise the negative consequences as best we can.
Please note that this “we need to stop lying” is a recurring trope in Russian political circles, which was even reflected in newly nominated minister of defense Belousov words – “we can make mistakes, but we can't lie”. Everyone repeated these words for a while, and everyone continued to lie. Why? Because the example goes from the very top and people just do whatever Putin does. We're back to the “sacred authority” and the “do what I say not what I do” fallacy, which Putin has mastered.
If Russian military journalists or, God forbid, Putin would actually decide to “stop lying” they would need to first admit that their foundational myths – about “NATO expansion”, about “genocide of Russians”, about “second army in the world” and countless others – were all lies from the start.
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Paweł Krawczyk https://krvtz.net/
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