I'm glad to see someone else has stumbled across the same path to madness as me.
Makes me feel less alone.
Apparently there are 4 things we must not try to define or conjecture about, as it'll only bring madness:
The Buddha-range of the Buddhas (the range of powers a Buddha develops as a result of becoming a Buddha)
The jhana-range of a person in jhana (the range of powers that one may obtain while absorbed in jhana)
The [precise working out of the] results of kamma (karma)
Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world
These are the four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them.
Remember – Siddhartha is a tale, a metaphor, not a reality. Or at least not as real to me as my reality is.
If I chose to believe reality is as the book portrays it to be, that is my choice.
Ignorance is something we can do something about. Because ignorance is the cause of the entirety of the mass of stress and suffering (including being reborn), when ignorance is uprooted and replaced with insight, knowledge and wisdom then the person not only overcomes all stress and suffering in this life, but they also overcome death and rebirth.
I like this Reddit thread.
Hot4Scooter
When you wake up and your house is on fire, get out. Why spend any time wondering how long the fire's been going or whether you maybe deserved it. The first question is irrelevant and the second is irrelevant and, when you get right down to it, selfish.
All beings have the potential to attain liberation. It might take some work, if course, but the teaching that we've been circling samsara sice beginningless times also implies that even if attaining liberation will take us a few kalpas, that's actually peanuts compared to how long we've been stuck in samsara.
Just some thoughts.
lutel (OP)
Why is this selfish? I'd like to get liberated as much as for others. But only this terrifies me, that having infinite number of past lives, means I've failed infinite number of times. And infinity is really huge, huge number, much more anyone can imagine, and if you think you know how much it is, you are wrong, because it is more. So it is hopeless to really do any effort, for some reason we are locked in samsara for eternity.
Hot4Scooter
Because seeing everything in terms of “me, mine” is selfish. Making things about “me” that aren't about “me” is selfish.
You've not failed got an infinite number of lives. First of all, “you” don't exist. You're just a label on a current bit of a beginningless stream of ever-changing essenceless causes and effects. Second of all, until “you” actually came in contact with a Buddha and recognized that fact, you didn't know liberation was possible, and you lacked the necessary freedom and capacity for it. Squirrels also don't “fail” at reading Dostoyevsky.
More fundamentally (in the Mahayana view), of course, the chain of births having no discernable beginning is because all phenomena are anutpada, unoriginated. We've only ever seemed to be born and die as unaware beings. It has no reality, however much we cling to it, for example by reifying infinity as a huge number (that infinity, mathematically speaking, isn't a number sorta illustrates that point).
Nagarjuna said something like “If things weren't empty, nothing was possible.” You're kinda finding the inverse of that statement.
Just some thoughts.
In general my naive understanding is that a human incarnation in which one has the opportunity to learn any teachings of a Buddha is somewhat rare. This gives you an opportunity to improve conditions for future incarnations through practice.
But I am immature in these things and may be wrong.
It would have huge consequences. Infinite number of past lives, I've committed infinite number of murders, but it also means I've met buddhas in person infinite number of times in my past lives. Thats the consequences of “infinite” to me.
This doesn't follow. Just because there's a non-zero chance of you murdering in a given life doesn't mean that if the set of your past lives is infinite, the subset of that which is your lives in which you've murdered is also infinite. Same for having met Buddhas.
But it is true I suppose that any given person you meet might have been someone you murdered in a past life.
It makes me think there is absolutely no hope to escape dhukka, samsara, to attain nirvana. I've learned about the road to liberation, yet I must have failed infinite number of times to get on this road.
That you have met the Dharma in this lifetime suggests you were motivated in a past lifetime to attain awakening, and just didn't succeed then.
Try harder this time if this worries you so much rather than having no hope, because some people do actually succeed, so you could too.
How can you have hope of liberation?
I am training, and I will keep training, and I hope it will get somewhere.
It really strips all the hope from me, any effort seems futile.
This guy seems to get no real answers to his questions except for “sit down and meditate bruh”
One thing that scares me now is a concept someone raised... that consciousness is a pyramid with humans at the top, and it's a lot more common to go down than go up... and that many who reach the state of humans often go back down inthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6YOzeIN71Eo being animals...
Have I already sinned enough to not reincarnate as human?
Enough reading for tonight.
Time to call my Granny. She has had another horrible tragedy with her friends of 30+ years dying.
I'm so sorry for what happened to Wim and his wife. Schizophrenia, manic depression, pills...
10 years after the first kid – 31 years old – she began to decline, and eventually killed herself jumping out a window.
And the cold – the pain of the cold – made him stop, circuit breaker for his grief and pain – made his grief stop.
“I pledged my oath to my wife – if I am able to get out of this grief – I will pass it on to others.”